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		<title>By: tamino</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33883</link>
		<dc:creator>tamino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a new open thread (for faster loading), so please move discussion there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a new open thread (for faster loading), so please move discussion there.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin's Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33881</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin's Pussycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and here Pielke&#039;s paper, in part a response to Peterson.

http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/pdfs/Pielke-etal_BAMS_Jun07.pdf

Look especially at Figure 4 and the section it is in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and here Pielke&#8217;s paper, in part a response to Peterson.</p>
<p><a href="http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/pdfs/Pielke-etal_BAMS_Jun07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ccc.atmos.colostate.edu/pdfs/Pielke-etal_BAMS_Jun07.pdf</a></p>
<p>Look especially at Figure 4 and the section it is in.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin's Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33879</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin's Pussycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TrueSceptic, another reference:

http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf

Seems to show that homogenization by bias skip elimination works great.

Note that the method apparently tested here differs from the Menne et al. &quot;difference of means&quot; as used for HCN v2, and corresponds to their &quot;non-production&quot; method. If I understand this correctly, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TrueSceptic, another reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf</a></p>
<p>Seems to show that homogenization by bias skip elimination works great.</p>
<p>Note that the method apparently tested here differs from the Menne et al. &#8220;difference of means&#8221; as used for HCN v2, and corresponds to their &#8220;non-production&#8221; method. If I understand this correctly, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin's Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33878</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin's Pussycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TrueSceptic, another reference:

http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf

Note that the method apparently tested here differs from the Menne et al. &quot;difference of means&quot;, and corresponds to the &quot;non-production&quot; method of pairwise comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TrueSceptic, another reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/102322.pdf</a></p>
<p>Note that the method apparently tested here differs from the Menne et al. &#8220;difference of means&#8221;, and corresponds to the &#8220;non-production&#8221; method of pairwise comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33877</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trueskep, look for &quot;homogeneity adjustment&quot; in the older threads here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trueskep, look for &#8220;homogeneity adjustment&#8221; in the older threads here</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33872</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plate tectonics requires water,&quot;

Uh, lubrication makes it easier. Doesn&#039;t mean it won&#039;t happen without it: push a door hard enough and it WILL close, even when it&#039;s rusted and unlubricated.

And your last point indicates that Venus had plate tectonics in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Plate tectonics requires water,&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, lubrication makes it easier. Doesn&#8217;t mean it won&#8217;t happen without it: push a door hard enough and it WILL close, even when it&#8217;s rusted and unlubricated.</p>
<p>And your last point indicates that Venus had plate tectonics in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33871</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark

Plate tectonics requires water, it helps to alter oceanic crust to produce serpentine, a phyllosilicate that &#039;lubricates&#039; subduction. 

Venus stopped having earth-like plate tectonics, but still has (apparently) sufficient internal heat to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark</p>
<p>Plate tectonics requires water, it helps to alter oceanic crust to produce serpentine, a phyllosilicate that &#8216;lubricates&#8217; subduction. </p>
<p>Venus stopped having earth-like plate tectonics, but still has (apparently) sufficient internal heat to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33861</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Terra doesn&#039;t have a sulfur-heavy atmosphere.

So when you said:

“Possibly so, but Venus lacks both liquid water and organic chemicals.”

You weren&#039;t discussing Terra, were you.

And all that&#039;s needed for plate tectonics and abiogenesis if they ARE linked is a molten core for several billion years.

Mars had one of those, ergo no problem for Mars. I don&#039;t *know* about Venus, but its early history could easily have had billions of years with plate tectonics.

They lack it NOW, but then 1 billion years ago, there may have been life on those planets whilst ours had had its reset button pushed by the creation of the Moon and so was 1 billion years behind.

And water from cometary impacts is how the moon has any water at all. Pity there&#039;s no atmosphere to stop the daylight evaporating it out into space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Terra doesn&#8217;t have a sulfur-heavy atmosphere.</p>
<p>So when you said:</p>
<p>“Possibly so, but Venus lacks both liquid water and organic chemicals.”</p>
<p>You weren&#8217;t discussing Terra, were you.</p>
<p>And all that&#8217;s needed for plate tectonics and abiogenesis if they ARE linked is a molten core for several billion years.</p>
<p>Mars had one of those, ergo no problem for Mars. I don&#8217;t *know* about Venus, but its early history could easily have had billions of years with plate tectonics.</p>
<p>They lack it NOW, but then 1 billion years ago, there may have been life on those planets whilst ours had had its reset button pushed by the creation of the Moon and so was 1 billion years behind.</p>
<p>And water from cometary impacts is how the moon has any water at all. Pity there&#8217;s no atmosphere to stop the daylight evaporating it out into space.</p>
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		<title>By: David B. Benson</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33856</link>
		<dc:creator>David B. Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark  // August 4, 2009 at 10:28 am --- I was attempting to emphasize the different chemical composition of Terra due to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis
and also the possibility that the early giant tides might be implicated in abiogenesis.  In any case, the different chemical composition has led to a vastly different
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus
which lacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics
which has been also suggested as having a role in abiogenesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark  // August 4, 2009 at 10:28 am &#8212; I was attempting to emphasize the different chemical composition of Terra due to<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis</a><br />
and also the possibility that the early giant tides might be implicated in abiogenesis.  In any case, the different chemical composition has led to a vastly different<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Venus</a><br />
which lacks<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics</a><br />
which has been also suggested as having a role in abiogenesis.</p>
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		<title>By: TrueSceptic</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/open-thread-14/#comment-33820</link>
		<dc:creator>TrueSceptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hank Roberts,

Thanks. I was looking for something specifically about the homogenization of data sets, so that we can examine Watts&#039;s claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hank Roberts,</p>
<p>Thanks. I was looking for something specifically about the homogenization of data sets, so that we can examine Watts&#8217;s claims.</p>
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