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		<title>By: John Cross</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3317</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanny:  simple quesion, when you quoted the phrase &quot;high quality&quot; from the USHCN site, were you aware of what that meant?  If so, can you back it up.  

If you can&#039;t, then all your analysis is at best useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nanny:  simple quesion, when you quoted the phrase &#8220;high quality&#8221; from the USHCN site, were you aware of what that meant?  If so, can you back it up.  </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t, then all your analysis is at best useless.</p>
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		<title>By: nanny_govt_sucks</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3297</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny_govt_sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... any bias is constant?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That should be &quot;... any microsite bias revealed at surfacestations.org is constant?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; any bias is constant?</p></blockquote>
<p>That should be &#8220;&#8230; any microsite bias revealed at surfacestations.org is constant?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nanny_govt_sucks</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3296</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny_govt_sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you don’t even know what “high quality” means in regards to the USHCN.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s no such thing as &quot;&quot;high quality&quot; in regards to the USHCN&quot;. There is high quality, and there is not high quality.  Unless of course what you&#039;re saying is that the USHCN stations are such a pile of garbage that even the Redding site can be considered &quot;high quality&quot; with respect to the other garbage stations! In that case the issues are far deeper and more serious than I ever imagined.

&lt;blockquote&gt;“a bias that’s been constant since the site was established… is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would agree, but where are the studies showing that any bias is constant? (Please don&#039;t bring up Parker - it does not apply to microsite issues)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you don’t even know what “high quality” means in regards to the USHCN.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;&#8221;high quality&#8221; in regards to the USHCN&#8221;. There is high quality, and there is not high quality.  Unless of course what you&#8217;re saying is that the USHCN stations are such a pile of garbage that even the Redding site can be considered &#8220;high quality&#8221; with respect to the other garbage stations! In that case the issues are far deeper and more serious than I ever imagined.</p>
<blockquote><p>“a bias that’s been constant since the site was established… is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I would agree, but where are the studies showing that any bias is constant? (Please don&#8217;t bring up Parker &#8211; it does not apply to microsite issues)</p>
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		<title>By: Petro</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3254</link>
		<dc:creator>Petro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is obvious that you are just a game-player and not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. &quot;

sayz Nanny, the Empty Master of Sophistry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is obvious that you are just a game-player and not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. &#8221;</p>
<p>sayz Nanny, the Empty Master of Sophistry</p>
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		<title>By: Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nan, yourconsistent postings themselves give evidence that

&quot;a bias that’s been constant since the site was established... is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.&quot;

Why should we not believe that you, and the weather stations, are both giving consistently biased and therefore useful information?

As long as the bias is consistent, the trend can still be determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nan, yourconsistent postings themselves give evidence that</p>
<p>&#8220;a bias that’s been constant since the site was established&#8230; is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why should we not believe that you, and the weather stations, are both giving consistently biased and therefore useful information?</p>
<p>As long as the bias is consistent, the trend can still be determined.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cross</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanny:  we have established that you don&#039;t even know what &quot;high quality&quot; means in regards to the USHCN.  Does it refer to statistical QA/QC on the data itself, does it refer to the quality of the instruments, does it refer to site location as you say or does it refer to something else.  I don&#039;t know and you have not provided anything to indicate that you know either.  Either put up something that supports your assertion or not use the term &quot;high quality&quot; as referenced in the USHCN.    

When dealing with a specialized topic like this definitions are very important.  &lt;b&gt;Again, do your homework.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nanny:  we have established that you don&#8217;t even know what &#8220;high quality&#8221; means in regards to the USHCN.  Does it refer to statistical QA/QC on the data itself, does it refer to the quality of the instruments, does it refer to site location as you say or does it refer to something else.  I don&#8217;t know and you have not provided anything to indicate that you know either.  Either put up something that supports your assertion or not use the term &#8220;high quality&#8221; as referenced in the USHCN.    </p>
<p>When dealing with a specialized topic like this definitions are very important.  <b>Again, do your homework.</b></p>
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		<title>By: nanny_govt_sucks</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3223</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny_govt_sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Statement “b” does not follow from statement “a”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wasn&#039;t meant to.

The site is not &quot;high quality&quot; primarily because of the nearby asphalt. CRN, NWS, and NOAA all have standards for station siting specifying that stations be 100ft from paved surfaces. If any of these standards are applied to the USHCN site in quesiton, it fails miserably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Statement “b” does not follow from statement “a”.</p></blockquote>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t meant to.</p>
<p>The site is not &#8220;high quality&#8221; primarily because of the nearby asphalt. CRN, NWS, and NOAA all have standards for station siting specifying that stations be 100ft from paved surfaces. If any of these standards are applied to the USHCN site in quesiton, it fails miserably.</p>
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		<title>By: dhogaza</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3209</link>
		<dc:creator>dhogaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The sum total of these effects is unknown!
...
The site is not “high quality”.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Statement &quot;b&quot; does not follow from statement &quot;a&quot;.

For instance, the sum total of these effects may be negligable.  Or may introduce a bias that&#039;s been constant since the site was established, in which case the data is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The sum total of these effects is unknown!<br />
&#8230;<br />
The site is not “high quality”.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Statement &#8220;b&#8221; does not follow from statement &#8220;a&#8221;.</p>
<p>For instance, the sum total of these effects may be negligable.  Or may introduce a bias that&#8217;s been constant since the site was established, in which case the data is perfectly useful for establishing a trend.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cross</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3194</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Nanny:  you just broke my irony meter.  In terms of the games that have been played here, I am pleased to let the record speak for itself.  

Good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. &#8220;</i></p>
<p>Nanny:  you just broke my irony meter.  In terms of the games that have been played here, I am pleased to let the record speak for itself.  </p>
<p>Good night.</p>
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		<title>By: nanny_govt_sucks</title>
		<link>http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/there-goes-the-sun/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>nanny_govt_sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, if the USHCN uses the term &quot;high quality&quot; to actually mean &quot;low quality&quot; then the problem is much deeper than I imagined.

I&#039;ve noticed that you have consistently failed to answer my questions posted here.  It is obvious that you are just a game-player and not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. Have a good evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, if the USHCN uses the term &#8220;high quality&#8221; to actually mean &#8220;low quality&#8221; then the problem is much deeper than I imagined.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that you have consistently failed to answer my questions posted here.  It is obvious that you are just a game-player and not interested in actally pursuing these climate related issues. Have a good evening.</p>
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